Well then, someone explain this or this is it for me...

[Fredrik_Northerner]

sth,
This is "only" a display error caused by the bonus items. The final figure is correct (the $51 USD). Our programmers are working at rectifying it!

Joe234,
Just wanted to mention that we yesterday got the go ahead from the good tax people of Oregon State to tax snus at 65% wholesale price, so you should see prices decrease a whole lot now. Both Snus and PACT is all very new to most of the States so it's hard for us to get a straight answer a lot of the time...

[sth]

Like fredrick said, Vladimir from northerner also told me it was a mistake.

Good to know that they're on it though, that was a little scary for a second haha

[Joe234]

Joe234,
Just wanted to mention that we yesterday got the go ahead from the good tax people of Oregon State to tax snus at 65% wholesale price, so you should see prices decrease a whole lot now. Both Snus and PACT is all very new to most of the States so it's hard for us to get a straight answer a lot of the time...

I was told by my local tobacco shop that it had changed from the 65% of wholesale to a per unit tax.

Here is the info

Department of Revenue: Tobacco Taxes

http://www.oregon.gov/DOR/TOB/smokeless.shtml

Smokeless tobacco products weight-based tax changes


With the passage of House Bill 2672 the tax rate changes for smokeless tobacco products will be effective January 1, 2010 and apply to all smokeless tobacco products distributed on or after this date.

Moist Snuff Weight-Based Tax FAQs
How does Oregon tax tobacco products?

Oregon Revised Statutes (ORS) chapter 323 discusses how tobacco products are taxed in Oregon and related administrative requirements. The general categories below have a different treatment.

• Cigarettes – are taxed by application of an Oregon cigarette tax stamp. The current tax rate is $1.18 per package of 20 cigarettes.
• Cigars – are taxed on 0.65 percent of the purchase price paid on untaxed cigars except that the maximum tax on cigars that cost $0.77 or more “each” is limited to $0.50 per cigar.
• NEW – Moist Snuff – the tax is $1.78 per ounce except that the minimum tax paid per retail unit is $2.14 per unit. This begins on January 1, 2010.
• All Other Tobacco Products - are taxed on 0.65 percent of the purchase price paid on untaxed tobacco products.

When is the new tax calculation for moist snuff effective?

January 1, 2010.

What is “moist snuff”?

Moist snuff is any finely cut, ground, milled or powdered tobacco product that is not intended to be smoked or placed in the nasal cavity. Moist snuff also includes any product containing tobacco which is not intended to be burned when consumed. Examples include items such as chewing tobacco, lozenges, strips, and sticks. It does not include things like cigarettes, roll-your-own tobacco, pipe tobacco or cigars.

I am an Oregon-licensed tobacco distributor. How do I pay the tax on moist snuff?

Your quarterly tobacco tax returns will be sent to you as they have in prior years. The tax returns and schedules have seen significant changes for 2010.

I purchased moist snuff over the internet for personal use. How do I pay the tax on the moist snuff I purchased?

You will find Form 531, Oregon Quarterly Return for Tobacco Products, on our website at http://www.oregon.gov/DOR/TOB/forms-tobacco.shtml. You will need to complete and submit this return and supporting schedules with payment to the Department of Revenue for each calendar quarter in which you purchase moist snuff or other tobacco products.


When is my tax return due?

Tobacco tax returns are due on the last day of the month following the calendar quarter for which a tax return is required. For example:

[rickcharles606]

Most states consider snus an OTP product, therefore taxed differently than moist snuff.

[Joe234]

Most states consider snus an OTP product, therefore taxed differently than moist snuff.

Rick,

Here's the Oregon definition:

What is “moist snuff”?

Moist snuff is any finely cut, ground, milled or powdered tobacco product that is not intended to be smoked or placed in the nasal cavity. Moist snuff also includes any product containing tobacco which is not intended to be burned when consumed. Examples include items such as chewing tobacco, lozenges, strips, and sticks. It does not include things like cigarettes, roll-your-own tobacco, pipe tobacco or cigars.

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http://www.leg.state.or.us/ors/323.html

323.500 Definitions for ORS 323.500 to 323.645.
(9) “Moist snuff” means: (a) Any finely cut, ground or powdered tobacco that is not intended to be smoked or placed in a nasal cavity; or
(b) Any other product containing tobacco that is intended or expected to be consumed without being combusted.

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How does Oregon tax tobacco products?

Oregon Revised Statutes (ORS) chapter 323 discusses how tobacco products are taxed in Oregon and related administrative requirements. The general categories below have a different treatment.

• Cigarettes – are taxed by application of an Oregon cigarette tax stamp. The current tax rate is $1.18 per package of 20 cigarettes.
• Cigars – are taxed on 0.65 percent of the purchase price paid on untaxed cigars except that the maximum tax on cigars that cost $0.77 or more “each” is limited to $0.50 per cigar.
• NEW – Moist Snuff – the tax is $1.78 per ounce except that the minimum tax paid per retail unit is $2.14 per unit. This begins on January 1, 2010.
• All Other Tobacco Products - are taxed on 0.65 percent of the purchase price paid on untaxed tobacco products.

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323.500 Definitions for ORS 323.500 to 323.645.

(14) “Tobacco products” means cigars, cheroots, stogies, periques, granulated, plug cut, crimp cut, ready rubbed and other smoking tobacco, snuff, snuff flour, moist snuff, cavendish, plug and twist tobacco, fine-cut and other chewing tobaccos, shorts, refuse scraps, clippings, cuttings and sweepings of tobacco and other kinds and forms of tobacco, prepared in such manner as to be suitable for chewing or smoking in a pipe or otherwise, or both for chewing and smoking, but shall not include cigarettes as defined in ORS 323.010.

[GoVegan]

Hey Rick - don't mean to interrupt this thread but your mailbox is full. Any chance of Northerner distributing in California anytime soon? The Humidor in Santa Rosa seemed open to the idea of carrying Gellivare but they don't have a distributor for it.

[rickcharles606]

Joe, I don't understand what you're saying? Would you like to pay higher taxes, because I'm sure the fine people at the Oregon department of revenue will accept the difference from you, LOL

[GoVegan]

I am a bit confused here. Joe is telling you guys Northerner should charge him more tax? Hey Joe, if your into paying taxes you can pay mine. Depending on my mood, I might even let you pay my UPS shipping fees. BTW Rick, Northerner has the tax rate for California all wrong. It is 2% of the wholesale price. Please let Northerner know so they can do whatever adjustments they need to.

My mistake! I checked the franchise tax board website and it is -2% of the wholesale price. No wonder why our state is in the hole.

[rickcharles606]

Lmao GoVegan...I'll let Fred know

[djbrown01]

Simple answer, it's tobacco tax. That's the wonderful nation we live in these days. Look into what it is in your state, I am new to this board and I hope I am wrong about your situation since I am looking into a different habit other than smoking, since New York are tax happy clowns, 4.35 a pack, thats more tax now than a whole pack cost when I started smoking less than 10 years ago, all other tobacco is taxed at 75% wholesale price up from 46% just last year and 25% in 2008.. A 300% increase in 2 years is ridiculous, oh it's going to stop people from smoking and create revenue needed for our state because we have no idea about fiscal responsibility and creating jobs so the taxes can be taken out of our pay and problem solved. It's very simple, stop taxing the things we love that we need to turn to after a long day of hard work and dealing with all the nonsense we have to put up with because nothing in this once great nation is free anymore. Sorry about the on and on but I'm at the point right now where all my products are going to come from overseas, I'm not paying tax, I'm not sick, you didn't help me back in the day from becoming addicted to the most addictive substance on the planet. People will pay for it no matter what and when the Government makes more off a product than the manufacturers and the farmers who work hard everyday than we have a major issue. The pact act is the finest example, lets stop allowing people to get cigarettes through the mail and lose revenue on an already failing postal system. Come up with a better idea and let people do whatever they want to their bodies, and like many point out this product is nowhere near as deadly as smoking but put in the same class. Do some research Washington D.C. before making hasty decisions about things you do not know about. Again I apologize for the lengthy first post that is probably full of typos and run on sentences, but it is a severely aggravating topic for me, since I haven't been able to find steady work in the past 8 years or so and go from making 60K a year working in an auto factory to scraping by on sub 10 dollar per hour jobs and now that is what it costs me to get some smokes or can of dip.

[Joe234]

Joe, I don't understand what you're saying? Would you like to pay higher taxes, because I'm sure the fine people at the Oregon department of revenue will accept the difference from you, LOL

No. What I'm saying is if I have to pay such stupid tax I don't want the state
coming after me later saying the tax was not paid correctly. I'd rather not
pay it at all.

I plan on trying a Skruf order when I need more snus. That will be
about one year from now.