Northerner is offering FREE shipping again!

[EricHill78]

Jesus Christ.. some of you guys know I am on a tight budget. I was going to spoil myself you know, throw caution to the win and get the 10 can soon to expire los special for 13.08. I thought it may be 8 or 9 bucks tax maybe so about two dollars a can that's not bad at all. The tobacco tax is 18.43!!!! Forget it. Total of 31.51 for a roll. Forget it I'm not paying 3.15 a can and have no idea what I'm getting and soon to expire.. Sorry I'll have to pass.

[EricHill78]

I was going to order that, but the tax on it is more than the cost of the 10 cans themselves! $19.62! That's rape and why they price it so cheap... so they can make the money back on the tax.

Also, it seems like their ordering system is broken right now...

Ha just read yer post. I believe the money does go for tax, I just can't afford it.

[eyephantom]

I was willing to roll the dice on the soon to be expired snus, the tax was around $5 for nc for two rolls... I currently find myself in a situation where I'm on my last can of portions with an order not expected until the end of the week, so even if I get all wintergreen or offroad, it's still worth it for me.

I've pretty much resigned myself to only ordering general from b&m stores to save on cash, so variety will (probably) be welcomed. The local B&M only sells expired snus at ~$5. I've gotten expired snus from northerner in the past and it's still quality. Expired white portions from the B&M are brown and practically unusable.

If you're reading this northerner, my username is the same as it is here and I will happily take all ettan and grov.

[russki]

Ha just read yer post. I believe the money does go for tax, I just can't afford it.

I would agree, especially as it fluctuates depending on which state you select to have it shipped to.

Just placed an order with Northerner (probably a mistake) since they had free shipping and I was looking to re-up my dwindling stash. Interesting that SC's prices are now ON PAR or in some cases greater than Northerner (pre-tax)...Haven't ordered in a few months and just realized these price hikes.

Pretty sad as I liked SC, however their rates have gone too high. Pay a bit more with taxes on some products( average can price + ~$0.10-$0.30/can tax ) with Northerner, however, unless I am buying in BULK bulk (aka 100+ cans), I'm probably going to be better off ordering from Northerner due to shipping, unfortunately.

Worst part about this whole scenario is Northerner's reputation.. A better business model would make me apt to choose Northerner over the competition, however I don't see that being the case any time soon.. and unfortunately due to prices and my current predicament I don't necessarily have a choice at the moment.

[shortiee4]

Seems their ordering system is working again. Those random cans may not be a great deal, but I'll still take free shipping.

[Thunder_Snus]

tax for a roll of soon to expire is two and some change for VA residents meaning nit'll be even less for me. Also shortiee im sorry but that is in no way how taxes are collected and or counted. When you place an order an algorithm runs through the system for your state and the function to add the tax to that. Your state probably has a different tax compared to others either way its the same tax for me it always is actually maybe a little less.

[shortiee4]

tax for a roll of soon to expire is two and some change for VA residents meaning nit'll be even less for me. Also shortiee im sorry but that is in no way how taxes are collected and or counted. When you place an order an algorithm runs through the system for your state and the function to add the tax to that. Your state probably has a different tax compared to others either way its the same tax for me it always is actually maybe a little less.

It's a website though, there isn't an IRS agent calculating each order total individually. I'm willing to bet that the taxes they collect with their algorithms are not exactly what they have to pay for the snus themselves. Basically, what I'm saying is that some (maybe 2 or 3 dollars) is added to their profits or cost of operations. I understand how websites work completely, I'm a web developer myself and have designed shopping cart systems that include taxes too.

When you buy a pack of cigarettes in Massachusetts there is a MA tax stamp on it, proving that the Massachusetts tobacco tax was paid. When I order snus from Northerner I do not see a MA tax stamp on it, I would guess they are paying Pennsylvania (where their warehouse is located) tobacco taxes in which case they would be paying less. They could also be paying another fee to be able to ship the tobacco to other states, I'm not sure of the specifics though; maybe one of the Northerner forum reps could correct me if I'm wrong, but that's what makes sense to me.

Anyways, I corrected myself in my next post and said it was a bad deal for me at least. I live in Taxachusetts, it's really no surprise. I was just shocked to see that the tax on the roll was more than the roll itself. I'm curious to see how much it would cost for someone in New York. It would probably be around $25-30 worth of taxes considering a pack of smokes here is around $7-8 and in NY they're around $12-15.

[lxskllr]

It's a website though, there isn't an IRS agent calculating each order total individually. I'm willing to bet that the taxes they collect with their algorithms are not exactly what they have to pay for the snus themselves. Basically, what I'm saying is that some (maybe 2 or 3 dollars) is added to their profits or cost of operations.

Nah dude,. Any company that did that would be putting themselves in the sights of an epic smackdown. That's amateur stuff, and the reaming they'd get from the IRS would make an overnight stay with Bubba at the Federal pen feel like a vacation. Taxes are easy enough to check. We have a sticky in the Snus subforum with tax rates from USA and Canada. Those might be out of date now, but it'll give a quick estimate.

If you care enough, you can look online to find up to date info. Calculate the tax according to the appropriate rate, and compare it to what Northerner is telling you. If there's a discrepancy, write to them, and let them know. They've had issues before, and straightened them out. Programming software to correctly figure taxes for all the different localities isn't the easiest thing in the world. Every tax rate is different, and the method for computing them is highly variable.

[chill]

Just picked up a roll of V2 Julesnus for 23 bucks. A little holiday treat for myself!

[Frankie Reloaded]

Thank you for this thread.

I just bought some purified snus which includes 3 free cans for an order of 15 (3mg citrus/lemon gives 1 free for 5 ordered, even though it is not advertised on Northertner or I just did not see the ad ), which I would have passed otherwise because of the high UPS cost for such a small number of cans. It really pays to visit Snuson from time to time, even for those who do not really enjoy online discussions .

[Thunder_Snus]

Youre right there isnt an IRS agent but at the same time they have to follow procedures. I can guarantee government is involved in online tobacco sales its somethign atleast here in the US they want to almost eliminate. Taxes vary from state to state. Mass might have a flat tax one very unit of tobacco, while say illinois might have a percentage tax on the total of the order while texas could have a rate that says order tobacco of any quantity online and you pay 10 bucks. So if there was a flat tax on every unit in your state you would pay less percentage wise the more expensive the snus is. if you have to pay 5 bucks tax for every can you would pay 100% tax on a can that costs 5 bucks. If you bought a supreme 10 dollar can you would pay a 50% tax. I have never once heard of a company adding more into their tax to profit for themselves. Not would it be more beneficial to simply raise prices but it would cause miscalculations on THEIR taxes because they would report collecting a certain amount of tax from order yet not all of that money would be there. If the government or ANYONE got wind that they were somehow manipulating their books liek they they would be shut down very quickly. Not only because its extremely unethical but also because it involves tobacco which the US government seems to think is the equivalent of legal heroin

[rickcharles606]

It's a website though, there isn't an IRS agent calculating each order total individually. I'm willing to bet that the taxes they collect with their algorithms are not exactly what they have to pay for the snus themselves. Basically, what I'm saying is that some (maybe 2 or 3 dollars) is added to their profits or cost of operations. I understand how websites work completely, I'm a web developer myself and have designed shopping cart systems that include taxes too.

When you buy a pack of cigarettes in Massachusetts there is a MA tax stamp on it, proving that the Massachusetts tobacco tax was paid. When I order snus from Northerner I do not see a MA tax stamp on it, I would guess they are paying Pennsylvania (where their warehouse is located) tobacco taxes in which case they would be paying less. They could also be paying another fee to be able to ship the tobacco to other states, I'm not sure of the specifics though; maybe one of the Northerner forum reps could correct me if I'm wrong, but that's what makes sense to me.

Anyways, I corrected myself in my next post and said it was a bad deal for me at least. I live in Taxachusetts, it's really no surprise. I was just shocked to see that the tax on the roll was more than the roll itself. I'm curious to see how much it would cost for someone in New York. It would probably be around $25-30 worth of taxes considering a pack of smokes here is around $7-8 and in NY they're around $12-15.

You're wrong, lol. Now that we have that out of the way, Northerner works very had to ensure that we're collecting the exact amount of tax due for each order, for each and every specific state. We are required by the PACT act to submit very detailed reporting that shows every purchase, the amount sold and the taxes collected. So, even if we wanted to...we couldn't do what you so carelessly suggested. You are correct that every state is completely different, there in lies the problem. We have to employ full time accountants to wrangle all the numbers. I spent MONTHS and MONTHS getting us licensed in every state that will allow us to sell legally in the US, and making certain that we had the most current and correct tax amounts.

As for MA tax stamps....tax stamps are traditionally used for cigarettes. Not every state uses the "stamp" system, but the ones that do, only require certain types of tobacco products to be stamped. Snus is categorized as a smokeless tobacco, which does not require stamping in most states.

Furthermore, Northerner would NEVER abuse the trust of it's customers. We love you guys, and only want to make sure that every person in the US can either buy online or be able to run down to their local tobacconist and pick up a can or ten of your favorite Swedish snus.

[Thunder_Snus]

^^ that says it all. Like i said your taxes are probably always more than your original purchase total because you live in massachusetts. RickCharles any chance loose Jule Snus will be back in stock anytime soon? Also is there maybe a list of what i might receive with my random soon to expire loose. Im still relatively new to most kinds of snus but I'd hate to get stuck with 6 rolls of offroad original loose. bleck

[Slidingblues]

II live in Taxachusetts, it's really no surprise. I was just shocked to see that the tax on the roll was more than the roll itself. I'm curious to see how much it would cost for someone in New York. It would probably be around $25-30 worth of taxes considering a pack of smokes here is around $7-8 and in NY they're around $12-15.

Can't comment on New York but for Louisiana the tax on that purchase would be $4.40. Looks right to me.

[rickcharles606]

^^ that says it all. Like i said your taxes are probably always more than your original purchase total because you live in massachusetts. RickCharles any chance loose Jule Snus will be back in stock anytime soon? Also is there maybe a list of what i might receive with my random soon to expire loose. Im still relatively new to most kinds of snus but I'd hate to get stuck with 6 rolls of offroad original loose. bleck

Sadly I don't know when Julesnus los will be back in stock, but I'm pretty sure it will be soon. Regarding the random snus you might receive...If I knew, it wouldn't be random would it, lol? Honestly, I have no control over that portion of the business. I'm sure it'll be good though ;-)