Best part of SnusCentral vs. Northerner?

[rickcharles606]

Perhaps we can start a collection and come up with the 60 million Euros. I am a bit strapped right now but I am pretty sure I can kick in 10 Euros. Wait a sec... Whats 10 Euros converted to dollars?

I still have about 25 Euros left from my recent trip to Germany...I'll toss them in the pot. For the record though...I think Swedish Match should've paid him, lol.

[Bigblue1]

lolol, you used my name in #2, so I took that as being directed to me. Regarding the rest of your points...I just felt compelled to answer ;-) Oh, and I'm not defensive, just full of info and opinions...that's still allowed here, right?

Already edited my post as I did mention you but that was just to say you calling me out is the same thing. Pot kettle black

[Roo]

Blue I think that Northerner DID pay the server fees, and were able to direct some traffic to their site and also make some ends through the snuson web shop. This all firmly established them as an "affiliate" of the site. I thought they still did, but Larry's post cleared that up. I don't think we were lied to about that.

It makes sense that all of the above is no longer the case. WIth the way things are going and what we are hearing, I can only hope those knuckleheads can stay in business.

Why am I posting in this thread? I am not a Northerner customer. But what happens to Northerner affects us all. That's why we're talking about it.

[Bigblue1]

Hey mom I joined a snus site today. For the life of me all I could think of to post about for my first comment is to bitch about the stickers on the tins. Yea, I think I'll complain about that....especially since I'll be complaining about the company that sponsors the website.

good thinkin OP

Posted Yesterday. Sorry if i wasn't informed of the intracacies but I'm sur I could dig and find a hundred times they've been called a sponsor.

[GoVegan]

Blue I think that Northerner DID pay the server fees, and were able to direct some traffic to their site and also make some ends through the snuson web shop. This all firmly established them as an "affiliate" of the site. I thought they still did, but Larry's post cleared that up. I don't think we were lied to about that.

It makes sense that all of the above is no longer the case. WIth the way things are going and what we are hearing, I can only hope those knuckleheads can stay in business.

Why am I posting in this thread? I am not a Northerner customer. But what happens to Northerner affects us all. That's why we're talking about it.

Good point. We might lose this forum is Northerner goes under. Also, if Northerner does pay for our servers, they are pretty damn liberal. If I was hosting a forum I would disconnect them the moment they start complaining about my company. So kudos to Northerner for their support of free speech and our little home on the internet.

Mr. Unloadingzone - I think it is great you come on here and wish you would come on more.

[rickcharles606]

Anyway the post wasn't directed at you. Why so defensive? Ok yeah I made a point about your point. The gist of the post tho lies in the question of why I and everybody else were led to believe that if we spent our hard earned money with Northerner it would be helping Snuson a place we all love and would do whatever we could to help. I just don't understand the duplicity and subterfuge.......

So you felt this way, even though you knew SnusOn had it's own shop? I guess I just don't see how you could come to this conclusion based on the fact that SnusOn had it's own store. I thought people felt compelled to shop at Northerner because of their commitment to the US market, not that it would help SnusOn in any way. It was after PACT that everyone chose a side, you chose yours and other's chose theirs because of Northerner's commitment to the US market...no biggie bro. Shop where you want, I do ;-) Not sure you'll ever get the explanation that you feel you deserve, nor do I care, but good luck with that. Not everything is a conspiracy against Blue, or other Northerner-anti's...or is that just what we want you to think? LOL

[Snusdog]

Blue my understanding of the Northerner/Snuson relationship is this:

The site is owned by Aki (the owner of Icetools)

He is friends with Frank (Northerner)

About 2 years back.......when Snuson upgraded......Frank as a favor to Aki and Snuson allowed Snuson to use their servers and agreed to handle the server IT end of things. They also filled the orders for the now deceased snuson shop

That is the extent of their "sponsorship"

But though limited as it may be......it is still very generous of them to do......and without that generosity this site would be far more limited.

Regardless, you should never have anyone’s involvement "thrown in your face". This site is owned by Icetool and is an open board……until he tells us otherwise

If one shop is experiencing trouble......our members need to know so they can make an educated decision when placing an order (I for one was glad for the heads up that the Northerner‘s “in stock“ indicator might not be an accurate reflection of the stock in the specific warehouse from which you are ordering).

Form the merchant’s perspective…….If customers are unhappy.......this site is a great place to find out why and fix the problem...........ask any merchant.......the customer that just leaves and never says why.......is far worse than the one that cusses you out and tells you how bad you f*cked up.....at least then you can address the problem before it repeats.

To be of value to merchants and members......it is important for us to have open and frank discussions. It is a large part of the vision of this site.

Anyway……that is the extent of the connection between Northerner and Snuson to the best of my understanding

[rickcharles606]

Blue I think that Northerner DID pay the server fees, and were able to direct some traffic to their site and also make some ends through the snuson web shop. This all firmly established them as an "affiliate" of the site. I thought they still did, but Larry's post cleared that up. I don't think we were lied to about that.

It makes sense that all of the above is no longer the case. WIth the way things are going and what we are hearing, I can only hope those knuckleheads can stay in business.

Why am I posting in this thread? I am not a Northerner customer. But what happens to Northerner affects us all. That's why we're talking about it.

See, I didn't even know that Northerner paid server fees, lol. Goes to show you how much I knew outside of the distribution to brick and mortar stores. I thought it had something to do with the servers, but never knew or cared that much about it ;-) It was outside of my perview.

[jagmanss]

A lot has happened on this thread and I am glad. I want to address some of it tho.

1. So we were all told that Northerner sponsored this site we were actively encouraged to use a sub par business for the sake of the forum. Actually yesterday even. But then it comes out they never have. What in the Hell. I would like some sort of explanation for this.

2. Rick I love you too but you can't deny what was said. if you were truly just trying to say that you would just not use a company rather than posting about it on a forum, why then did you got to such lengths to be bothered that we were posting about it and call us names and what not. I could as well say to you that If somebody was bitching about somebody bitching here I just wouldn't respond I'd just let them bitch.

Back to number one. If it's true Northerner was never a sponsor why has it been thrown in our faces time and again..... Seriously that's some effed up stuff..... I have a feeling that some mods were "taken" care of to propagate this myth. I myself find it sickening....... Obviously this is just putting pieces together and I can't prove any of it. It certainly makes you go hmmm tho....... And this isn't just trying to be conspiratorial. I really don't like being lied to by people for their own benefit and my detriment, especially those that I consider friends. Whatever the case may be, the fact is we were at the very least mislead if not out and out lied to....... This is what I will believe unless somebody comes out with the truth, if they can

Maybe the person to ask for some sort of explanation would be Ice....

[Premium Parrots]

Posted Yesterday. Sorry if i wasn't informed of the intracacies but I'm sur I could dig and find a hundred times they've been called a sponsor.

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yea sponsor probably isn't the best choice of word. I never know how to describe the snuson northerner relationship.

.....and I agree with what you say about all the bitching. there are enough threads on this subject concerning northerner. As well as there are enough threads about all the stickers being applied to the tins.



is buysnus buying votes? wheres the line forming at?

[Snusdog]

It matters because people were led to believe by using Northerner they were helping the site. That apparently was a lie. It just shouldn't have happened. Period.

You may be remembering post that said buying an Icetool helps this site..... and it does........since Ice foots the bill.......but he did not start the site as a promotional site for his product......but as a place for he and his friends who use snus to hang out and talk.....

Now this may not be what you remember at all.......but it is the only such claim that I can remember off hand.

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I also distinctly remember this vvvvvvv

I thought people felt compelled to shop at Northerner because of their commitment to the US market, and getting snus into BM shops not that it would help SnusOn

[Roo]

Good point. We might lose this forum is Northerner goes under. Also, if Northerner does pay for our servers, they are pretty damn liberal. If I was hosting a forum I would disconnect them the moment they start complaining about my company. So kudos to Northerner for their support of free speech and our little home on the internet.

Mr. Unloadingzone - I think it is great you come on here and wish you would come on more.

Hey GV no maybe I didn't make myself clear. What I gather from this thread is that Northerner is no longer affiliated, hence Larry's newfound "freedom" to post here when previously he was asked to keep it to a minimum. It all makes perfect sense. Previously, Northerner saw this site as an opportunity to play the game that Larry is playing and has been playing successfully for years. Namely, an online community and website affiliated with an established supplier. Naturally they would see him as competition numero uno and ask him to kindly post elsewhere. This is not and should not be a surprise. The fact that he mentioned this arrangement in the past tense makes it clear that Northerner is not as involved or involved at all with snuson any longer. That's my take anyway.

The point I was trying to make about Northerner going under is that it does appear to me showing signs of going under. I would love to be proven wrong on that, but for now I am calling a duck a duck. Not speculating, or spreading rumors, more like standing back, shielding my eyes from the flame, and saying "Jesus Christ will ya look at that". In any case, I think snuson is now, as it was before, financially independent of Northerner. If anyone can correct me on that it will be welcomed by all who seek full disclosure in the matter. It doesn't matter either way, to me anyway, but it's good to know, and good practice to inform. Peace and Thanks to Ice who has been giving us this opportunity to sit around and chat about such things for several years now. Thanks Ice.

[rickcharles606]

Hey GV no maybe I didn't make myself clear. What I gather from this thread is that Northerner is no longer affiliated, hence Larry's newfound "freedom" to post here when previously he was asked to keep it to a minimum. It all makes perfect sense. Previously, Northerner saw this site as an opportunity to play the game that Larry is playing and has been playing successfully for years. Namely, an online community and website affiliated with an established supplier. Naturally they would see him as competition numero uno and ask him to kindly post elsewhere. This is not and should not be a surprise. The fact that he mentioned this arrangement in the past tense makes it clear that Northerner is not as involved or involved at all with snuson any longer. That's my take anyway.

The point I was trying to make about Northerner going under is that it does appear to me showing signs of going under. I would love to be proven wrong on that, but for now I am calling a duck a duck. Not speculating, or spreading rumors, more like standing back, shielding my eyes from the flame, and saying "Jesus Christ will ya look at that". In any case, I think snuson is now, as it was before, financially independent of Northerner. If anyone can correct me on that it will be welcomed by all who seek full disclosure in the matter. It doesn't matter either way, to me anyway, but it's good to know, and good practice to inform. Peace and Thanks to Ice who has been giving us this opportunity to sit around and chat about such things for several years now. Thanks Ice.

I will add that I've been told that Northerner's numbers are better than they've ever been, in spite of all the "horrible" experiences cited all over this site, lol. So, I don't think they'll be dropping off the radar anytime soon, and that's good. I don't want to see any snus site disappear, it would be bad for the snus "movement" in the US, overall.

I also am glad to see Larry posting here. Larry's been a long time friend, even when I worked at Northerner, and he's one of the few people in this world that I value his opinions. He's incredibly valuable to the snus "movement" and I have and will always wish him success in his endeavors, no matter what they are.

[Premium Parrots]

I will add that I've been told that Northerner's numbers are better than they've ever been, in spite of all the "horrible" experiences cited all over this site, lol. So, I don't think they'll be dropping off the radar anytime soon, and that's good. I don't want to see any snus site disappear, it would be bad for the snus "movement" in the US, overall.

I also am glad to see Larry posting here. Larry's been a long time friend, even when I worked at Northerner, and he's one of the few people in this world that I value his opinions. He's incredibly valuable to the snus "movement" and I have and will always wish him success in his endeavors, no matter what they are.

that entire post ^

great job I agree

[Snusdog]

Hey GV no maybe I didn't make myself clear. What I gather from this thread is that Northerner is no longer affiliated, hence Larry's newfound "freedom" to post here when previously he was asked to keep it to a minimum. It all makes perfect sense. Previously, Northerner saw this site as an opportunity to play the game that Larry is playing and has been playing successfully for years. Namely, an online community and website affiliated with an established supplier. Naturally they would see him as competition numero uno and ask him to kindly post elsewhere.

Roo, I think you may be reading more into Larry's statement than is intended. Snuson is under the same ownership and management as it has been from day one.........Ice

I think Larry may be referring more to past mods than to past owners

Now a lot of this was before my time.....but if memory serves me correctly.....I think the issue was not one of competing visions (Northerner wants its own version of snuscentral) but rather over the advertising/Banner policy of the site......I believe the issue had to do specifically with announcing promos and sales here.

One of the things that we have in the works and have discussed quite a bit is having a merchants thread where approved merchants could come and post their latest deals, contests, product and promotion.....all of which is beneficial info for our members.

Larry would certainly be an approved merchant if he so wanted to be, GN another, Dave at the Snuff store another, Mick and His snus-snuff-bondage mag yet another....... approval is intended only to keep out spam and scams)

This does a couple of things.......it gets our members good to know info.....it keeps it in one easy to find place that you can check as often as you like.....and it keeps the other posts on the site from becoming little more than merchant banners

Now guys......this may happen tomorrow.......or it may happen in two years.......it will move at the rate that all things snuson move for better or worse...............Regardless…..the point is that it may be this wider vision for our site that Larry's post is referring to….not a change in actual ownership (which was never Northerner to begin with)