GetSnus.com now has a forum!

[jamesstew]

sagedil, please click the following link. I have popped by Unloadingzone's new site but don't get the idea he's trying to ripoff this place like Getsnus's forum is. Anyway, don't forget to click:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j5Z4E2wkh4

[sagedil]

Cute. :lol:

And as for Unloadingzone's new site, I know he is not. And I hoped I didn't imply that I thought he was. At the same time, I am not sure exactly why his forum exists. I have been there, am registered as Sagedil there even. But......I still don't understand what his site serves that Snuson doesn't.

[jamesstew]

I go there to recruit people to come over here. :twisted:

Actually I have enjoyed his blog on snus the last year or so but agree that the forum is kind of redundant after coming here.

[grimmfaust]

Because it is disrespectful of what is already out there. Snuson has single handily done more to increase knowledge and desire for snus. Trust me, what existed before Snuson was majorly lame.

Without Snuson, Getsnus would not have much of a market here in America.

I have been here for a long time, I am protective, that's all. I guess I am happy for Getsnus, and if it works for you, that is great. Me personally, their selection is so lame, I would STILL have to order half my snus elsewhere. just am not gonna bother with them to save $0.20 on a can of snus

I have close to 30 orders with Buysnus. And other than pissing me off on my latest order, I have NEVER had any problems and have gotten 95% of my orders within 5 days. I have about 6 orders with Northerner and they have been equally good.

And have you ever read the rules of Getsnus forums, you can't talk about any "competing websites" They can bite me!! WTF is the point of that. So just to be clear, this post would be against their rules if I was talking about Snuson there the way we are talking about Getsnus forum here. And I guess I can't post about Buysnus there either?

That your idea of a useful forum, go enjoy. But I will happily express my hostility to it here.


Getsnus. Lame useless forum, and pathetic selection. Oh boy, I am so excited. :?

I don't understand what the issue is.

Having more forums on snus is great for our community. The more the word gets out about snus, the better. The more demand for snus, the better for us all. More demand will create more vendors, more different products, lower prices, etc, etc. It's competition; the USA is based on a selling market, the more competition in that market the better for us all.

Were not fascists here; they want there own forum to spread the word further, more power to them. It is perfectly understandable that they don't want other vendors mentioned on their site. Would McDonalds create something for fans that could potentially help their rivals Burger King. Of course not. The only reason you can mention any vendor here, is because this forum is run/owned independently (registered to a company out of the state of Washington; don't know what their affiliation is to snus).

We need to support local U.S. vendors, and snus vendors. And if their forum helps spread the snus word, even better.

[Condor]

Welcome to the SNUStatorship. Get in line or get out.

I don't understand what the issue is.

Having more forums on snus is great for our community. The more the word gets out about snus, the better. The more demand for snus, the better for us all. More demand will create more vendors, more different products, lower prices, etc, etc. It's competition; the USA is based on a selling market, the more competition in that market the better for us all.

Were not fascists here; they want there own forum to spread the word further, more power to them. It is perfectly understandable that they don't want other vendors mentioned on their site. Would McDonalds create something for fans that could potentially help their rivals Burger King. Of course not. The only reason you can mention any vendor here, is because this forum is run/owned independently (registered to a company out of the state of Washington; don't know what their affiliation is to snus).

We need to support local U.S. vendors, and snus vendors. And if their forum helps spread the snus word, even better.

I agree, but not even just on the capitalistic aspect of it... just....big deal. This is a tough room. Call me a troll or what have you, but my opinion is very condensed and expressed thusly:

Their having a forum a non-issue, and is more than a little ridiculous that their having one actually pisses some of you off. Getsnus posts on a SNUS website populated entirely by SNUS users to get the word out that you can buy SNUS from them, as they are a new company in the US, as many of the users on here live in the US....what's the problem? If anything, a post from a snus retailer saying "Hey, we sell snus" is the most legitimate post that coud be on a SNUS forum. More legit that a post that says "hey, check this chick out farting into a cake". (though it was funny)

Are the people on their forum posuer snusers? Is there going to be a Jets v. Sharks style rumble or some shit? I really like Snuson.com, and you guys are all generally really good guys and have been very friendly for the most part but, geez...come on. If I was the owner of Getsnus.com I would stop selling any icetool product. Not that it would even phase their business, but just based on principal. You guys sound like a bunch of elitist snobs. Give me a break. With everything else going on in the world, THIS raises your blood pressure? You guys must really get fired up about stuff that actually matters.

Good greif.

[grimmfaust]

I don't understand what the issue is.

Having more forums on snus is great for our community. The more the word gets out about snus, the better. The more demand for snus, the better for us all. More demand will create more vendors, more different products, lower prices, etc, etc. It's competition; the USA is based on a selling market, the more competition in that market the better for us all.

Were not fascists here; they want there own forum to spread the word further, more power to them. It is perfectly understandable that they don't want other vendors mentioned on their site. Would McDonalds create something for fans that could potentially help their rivals Burger King. Of course not. The only reason you can mention any vendor here, is because this forum is run/owned independently (registered to a company out of the state of Washington; don't know what their affiliation is to snus).

We need to support local U.S. vendors, and snus vendors. And if their forum helps spread the snus word, even better.

I agree, but not even just on the capitalistic aspect of it... just....big deal. This is a tough room. Their having a forum a non-issue, and is more than a little ridiculous that some of you are so against it. Are the people on their forum posuer snusers? Is there going to be a Jets v. Sharks style rumble or some shit? I really like this forum, and you guys are all really cool and have been very friendly for the most part but, geez...come on. With everything else going on in the world, THIS raises your blood pressure? You guys must really get fired up about stuff that actually matters.

I get fired up about everything; even the important stuff. Sorry, doing to much snus :shock:

[Sal1000us]

The only reason you can mention any vendor here, is because this forum is run/owned independently (registered to a company out of the state of Washington; don't know what their affiliation is to snus).

Snuson.com has added Private Registration to their domain name and the owner of the domain remains anonymous (for example Network Solutions performs such task) and has provided alternate contact information for snuson.com domain name registration in the public WHOIS database and therefore no one can determine who owns the domain snuson.com. This is an easy $9/year solution for the owners of domains to remain anonymous. In this case, as you found out, the alternate private contact is in Washington which in reality has nothing to do with the owners or the location of snuson.com

p.s. One can easily ping the numerical IP of snuson.com in order to determine the physical location of the server which would be the location of program execution.

[Mr. Snuffleupagus]

SMPost "Where dippers meet". LOL That place is weird with all the 12 year olds lol.

[sagedil]

The only reason you can mention any vendor here, is because this forum is run/owned independently (registered to a company out of the state of Washington; don't know what their affiliation is to snus).

Snuson.com has added Private Registration to their domain name and the owner of the domain remains anonymous (for example Network Solutions performs such task) and has provided alternate contact information for snuson.com domain name registration in the public WHOIS database and therefore no one can determine who owns the domain snuson.com. This is an easy $9/year solution for the owners of domains to remain anonymous. In this case, as you found out, the alternate private contact is in Washington which in reality has nothing to do with the owners or the location of snuson.com

Umm, this site was started by the folks who make the Icetool, if I am not mistaken

Were not fascists here; they want there own forum to spread the word further, more power to them. It is perfectly understandable that they don't want other vendors mentioned on their site. Would McDonalds create something for fans that could potentially help their rivals Burger King. Of course not. The only reason you can mention any vendor here, is because this forum is run/owned independently (registered to a company out of the state of Washington; don't know what their affiliation is to snus).

Yeah, and I wouldn't hang out on a McDonalds forum. Nor would I think it ever appropriate for McDonalds to start a fast food forum, and not allow the mention of other fast food companies.

And from my reading of Getsnus rules, I couldn't mention Snuson on their forum. So by definition, I could not tell someone where they could go either to get other snus OR where they could get more information.

So YES, I have a problem with that. YES, I think that does a disservice, especially to new snus users.

And I have given enough of myself here, I have graciously welcomed enough newbies, answered the same questions over and over, each time making that new person feel like they were special, welcomed, and wanted here. And I KNOW I do that as well as anyone else here,

So I damn well have the right to express my dissatisfaction with what Getsnus is doing here. I have earned it!!

Their having a forum a non-issue, and is more than a little ridiculous that their having one actually pisses some of you off. Getsnus posts on a SNUS website populated entirely by SNUS users to get the word out that you can buy SNUS from them, as they are a new company in the US, as many of the users on here live in the US....what's the problem? If anything, a post from a snus retailer saying "Hey, we sell snus" is the most legitimate post that coud be on a SNUS forum. More legit that a post that says "hey, check this chick out farting into a cake". (though it was funny)

Are the people on their forum posuer snusers? Is there going to be a Jets v. Sharks style rumble or some shit? I really like Snuson.com, and you guys are all generally really good guys and have been very friendly for the most part but, geez...come on. If I was the owner of Getsnus.com I would stop selling any icetool product. Not that it would even phase their business, but just based on principal. You guys sound like a bunch of elitist snobs. Give me a break. With everything else going on in the world, THIS raises your blood pressure? You guys must really get fired up about stuff that actually matters.

Good greif.

And now I am going to get pissed.

NOWHERE did I ever complain about Getsnus posting here!!! Show me one place I ever said that. Getsnus is welcome to participate here, just as Roderick of Touque, Patrick with V2 and any other maker or seller of snus.

And this has NOTHING to do with icetool, or any one else here. How dare you paint anyone else here as an elitist. I am the one that has spoken up. You have a problem with anyone, it is just me!!! You don't understand why I have posted my concerns, fine. You think I am an elitist, you obviously know NOTHING about who I am, what I have done here. But don't you go condemning the other members here. That is just pathetic.

[Sal1000us]

Umm, this site was started by the folks who make the Icetool, if I am not mistaken

Sagedill, I am pretty sure you are correct about your statement but I believe we are talking about two different things.

Whenever a person or a company buys a domain such as (www.snuson.com) or (www.yahoo.com) the information about the company such as name, address, email, phone number, etc. is entered in a universal public database which is retrievable at www.whois.net The owners of the domain have a choice of remaining private (not entering all of their information in the public database) or provide all the information. This is sort of analogous to the yellowpages where some people are listed and some are unlisted. You can not find the phone number of people that are not listed in the yellowpages.

In the case of a domain, if a domain user such as the owners of snuson.com select private registration, then you can’t find their names or for that matter any information about them in the whois public database (yellowpages of the domains). The reason for this is that domain owners want to protect their privacy, not receive junk mail, solicitation, etc. Although, you might personally know who the owners of snuson.com are, anyone else who performs a query on snuson on the Internet will receive a message indicating that the site is private and the information about the company is not displayed.

For example, if I do a query on snuson.com using www.whois.net the following information is displayed:

Domain name: snuson.com
Registrant Contact:
Whois Privacy Protection Service, Inc.
Whois Agent ()
Fax:
PMB 368, 14150 NE 20th St - F1
C/O snuson.com
Bellevue, WA 98007
US

Which clearly states that snuson.com is using private registration and no information about the company is provided, the location in WA is the address of the private holding company and not snuson.com.

Now if I perform a query on www.informed.com which is not using private registration, the following information is displayed: Note the physical address, phone number, contact and other information.

[whois.tucows.com]
Registrant:
Informed Solutions Limited
The Old Bank
Old Market Place Altrincham
Cheshire, . wa14 4pa
UK
Domain name: INFORMED.COM
Administrative Contact:
Patel, Rita postmaster@informed.com
The Old BankOld Market Place
Altrincham
Cheshire, . wa14 4pa
UK
+44.1619422000 Fax: +44.1619422015
Technical Contact:
Internet, Demon hostmaster@demon.net
Gateway House
322 Regents Park Road
London, Finchley N3 2QQ
UK
+44.8452700096 Fax: +44.8452700097


BTW, I have always appreciated all the help and info that you have provided on snus.

[Condor]

:shock:

[grimmfaust]

The only reason you can mention any vendor here, is because this forum is run/owned independently (registered to a company out of the state of Washington; don't know what their affiliation is to snus).

Snuson.com has added Private Registration to their domain name and the owner of the domain remains anonymous (for example Network Solutions performs such task) and has provided alternate contact information for snuson.com domain name registration in the public WHOIS database and therefore no one can determine who owns the domain snuson.com. This is an easy $9/year solution for the owners of domains to remain anonymous. In this case, as you found out, the alternate private contact is in Washington which in reality has nothing to do with the owners or the location of snuson.com

p.s. One can easily ping the numerical IP of snuson.com in order to determine the physical location of the server which would be the location of program execution.

Correct Sal; I was sloppy with my homework. Below is the publically available information about this site.

Current Registrar: ENOM, INC.
IP Address: 193.64.141.140 (ARIN & RIPE IP search)
IP Location: FI(FINLAND)-SOUTHERN FINLAND-HELSINKI
Record Type: Domain Name
Server Type: Apache
Lock Status: clientDeleteProhibited
Web Site Status: Active
Web Site Title: SnusOn | Snus Forum
Meta Description: Icetool snus portion tool & snus box
Traffic Ranking: 3
Data as of: 22-Apr-2008

You are entitled to your opinion, as am I to have a dissenting one. But, your language and tone in regards to this issue suggests that your opinion is the only correct one; and that is not the case.

I will not get into a flame war; you seem to be a forum veteran, so you should know better than that. I'm done...enjoy your snus, as do I.

[Sal1000us]

Grimmfaust, nice detective work. I didn't ping the IP but would have gussed that the physical server was somewhere in Sweden. Your research shows the server is located in Helsinki, Finland. Maybe that is where Icetool company is located.

[grimmfaust]

Grimmfaust, nice detective work. I didn't ping the IP but would have gussed that the physical server was somewhere in Sweden. Your research shows the server is located in Helsinki, Finland. Maybe that is where Icetool company is located.

Thanks. I would assume that this site using meta tags like "Icetool snus portion tool & snus box" points to the icetool maker as the owner. Plus the Icetool maker is in Helsinki and icetool.com has similar registry information.

Getting free publicity from posters here about snus must sell lots of icetools. Clever. :wink:

[Sal1000us]

I would assume that this site using meta tags like "Icetool snus portion tool & snus box" points to the icetool maker as the owner. Plus the Icetool maker is in Helsinki and icetool.com has similar registry information.

True, these days the hosting company can be located anywhere in the world independent of the actual physical company.

Getting free publicity from posters here about snus must sell lots of icetools. Clever.

I am sure it is a good marketing tool but at the same time the forum is very informative about snus in general. I started using snus last December and this forum has helped me a lot since I was a newbie and didn't know anything about snus. I tried other snus forums but realized none was as vibrant as snuson.com so that is why I am here. There are also passionate members and at times debates become a little too hot but I am sure they all mean well and try their best to help others.