snusbutiken

[Xobeloot]

I don't support taxes. They're unconstitutional.

No Doubt, but that is a completely different discussion unto itself.

Fakieollie: There is a big difference between not reporting tobacco taxes:

(oh no... I haven't helped pay for yet another f'n section 8 baby who's crack-whore mom drives a nicer car than me)...

And taking food off of Frank's table. (You know, Frank from Northerner who is trying to make a legitimate buck)?

Meh. Obviously we will never see eye to eye and you are trying to find a way to justify yourself and bring us to your level. The sun still rose today, the snus still tasted good, and I look forward to going to work tomorrow.

You can do whatever you want to do... It won't change my view on things one bit.

[fakieollie]

And taking food off of Frank's table.

you're a ****ing retard

[Sal1000us]

And taking food off of Frank's table.

you're a ****ing retard

Resorting to personal attacks now?

[fakieollie]

And taking food off of Frank's table.

you're a ****ing retard

Resorting to personal attacks now?

no

[lxskllr]

And taking food off of Frank's table.

you're a ****ing retard

Look jackass; The *HUGE* Northerner corporation is a small handful of guys in Sweden; It isn't Pepsi, or Frito Lay. If they lose money on something like this, it very much comes out of their pocket. Margins on tobacco products are razor thin, and volume isn't that great on a niche product.

If you don't understand that, I don't know how you manage to dress yourself, and make it out of the house each day :^S

[fakieollie]

And taking food off of Frank's table.

you're a ****ing retard

Look jackass; The *HUGE* Northerner corporation is a small handful of guys in Sweden; It isn't Pepsi, or Frito Lay. If they lose money on something like this, it very much comes out of their pocket. Margins on tobacco products are razor thin, and volume isn't that great on a niche product.

If you don't understand that, I don't know how you manage to dress yourself, and make it out of the house each day :^S

So it's my problem that Frank and his pals decided to start a business that has a crappy profit margin and small volume? Sounds like they should be much more vigilant about the way they run their website and their business if it's such a precarious position they are in: Barely making it selling tobacco products tax-free to Americans.

[Sal1000us]

And taking food off of Frank's table.

you're a ****ing retard

Look jackass; The *HUGE* Northerner corporation is a small handful of guys in Sweden; It isn't Pepsi, or Frito Lay. If they lose money on something like this, it very much comes out of their pocket. Margins on tobacco products are razor thin, and volume isn't that great on a niche product.

If you don't understand that, I don't know how you manage to dress yourself, and make it out of the house each day :^S

So it's my problem that Frank and his pals decided to start a business that has a crappy profit margin and small volume? Sounds like they should be much more vigilant about the way they run their website and their business if it's such a precarious position they are in: Barely making it selling tobacco products tax-free to Americans.

Still, your argument cannot be used as an excuse to cheat a business knowingly.

[superdevil]

So it's my problem that Frank and his pals decided to start a business that has a crappy profit margin and small volume? Sounds like they should be much more vigilant about the way they run their website and their business if it's such a precarious position they are in: Barely making it selling tobacco products tax-free to Americans.

Last I checked, you weren't ripping them off from low profit tobacco products- you were screwing them out of an icetool, which is probably one of the few items they sell that they can substantially mark up. Again, northerner.com is no friend of mine, but if I had arrogant balls the size of yours, I still wouldn't feel that I had a right to rip them off, nor would I be on a public forum advertising the lame way in which I was able to exploit the "Man".

The only thing that surprises me about your behavior is that you're probably such a ****** that you really thought that you would come on this forum and boast about your superior criminal skills and people would applaud you for your actions. That's the only thing that bothers me, is that there's people that somehow manage to go day by day and think this way; I really hope that you don't have the a job with any kind of authority over your fellow man (soldier, cop, politician, etc.)

Regardless of how you try to justify your actions, there's no way to defend yourself that doesn't make you look like an ignorant asshole. If you wish to stop looking like a pathetic, conniving, crooked, shysty, shady, niggardly douchebag then stop trying to justify your actions to the people here who do not find anything acceptable in your wrongdoing.

[fugitiveinkblot]

Listen, morality doesn't even have to come into play. Its all about self interest.

Point one is this, you want an icetool, and are only willing to pay so much for it. If a business makes a mistake and undercharges for the icetool, regardless if its a software error, you get the icetool cheap. Good for you, lucky bastard.

The obvious counterpoint to this isn't the morality of getting the best deal you possibly can, even if its in error. It is the fact that it might be in one's self-interest to report the error and make sure northerner.com doesn't lose a bunch of money. This way they can keep their prices low and provide good customer service (which we all know northerner does).

However, I'm not buying snus to make the snus sellers money, I'm buying it because it is inexpensive and I like it. If you place the order and the order and they realize the error, its a-ok for them to refund your money and say "sorry, software error, here's your money back." If they ship it, then the ball is out of their court. They can't ask for it back or ask you to pay the difference later.

Ultimately, I don't care about their bottom line, thats their problem. They don't care about my bottom line, its my problem. They want to make their money, and I want my product at the lowest possible price.

The morality issue is very entangled and both points are valid. If you're buying snus online to skip tobacco taxes, not reporting the sale, etc. Then, sorry, you are skipping taxes that you are obligated to pay. Even if you don't agree with them or where they go, you are still obligated to them. You are a citizen of this country. Others are paying the taxes. Likewise, if you're taking advantage of a software error on a website, then you are knowingly undercutting someone elses business. Others are paying a legitimate price. Both are immoral acts. You can't make the argument that some of us are suckers and others aren't, just because you found a way around being detected on the tax issue, and then turn around and blast someone for ripping off a business when its their error. If you mail ordered snus and, on northerners error, recieved a free roll of General, how many of us would mail it back? That would be the moral action and I don't think I would do it.

[Xobeloot]

And taking food off of Frank's table.

you're a ****ing retard

Resorting to personal attacks now?

no

Hee dust dating a bact!



:lol: :lol:

[Maximus]

You know the sad thing is that the person that takes advantage of a companie's mistake is also usually one of the first to complain when they raise their prices to cover for the loss.

Xobeloot was not alone in sending an email. I also had sent an email to both sites, a PM to northerner.com and actually tried to call. I've been saving points to eventually get one of the Northerner engraved stainless steel Icetools. I will be upset if they have to raise their prices to make up for an honest mistake that was taken advantage of in a dishonest fashion.

[Xobeloot]

I received an e-mail back from them today stating that they knew of the issue and are working to fix it.

[Maximus]

I received an email as well. I'm just hoping we get word that they caught it in time to keep it from impacting them which ultimately would have impacted us.

[SSgtTrav]

I also recieved an e-mail from them saying they corrected the problem. I would also like to know if anyones orders were canceled. I'm sure someone on here ordered them. So what happened. Would you check your order status on the site and see if it's canceled?

[Maximus]

So far, looks like all the Icetool items including the boxes have been pulled from the site.