WA resident? Class C felony to order snus after July 26th.

**lxskllr** · 30-06-09, 08:27 AM

Well that's a load of suck. Welcome to the new Amerika, eh? Hopefully that nonsense doesn't spread too far, but I'm not optimistic.

You have my deepest sympathies :^(

**Jason** · 30-06-09, 08:30 AM

And it begins.......(earlier than we thought) :x

**SnusHound** · 30-06-09, 08:43 AM

Thanks for the sympathies. I feel good about my supply but the biggest shame is the convenience factor. If I want to try out a new blend of pipe tobacco or a new snus it will be a huge pain.

My costs for pipe tobacco are less than 4$ per 50g based on the bulk orders. That same volume for the same quality of tobacco would be 20$ + sales tax here. For snus it was around 3$ a can since I ordered a lot of ettan which is 15% off right now from swedish match. Locally I imagine it is twice that or more.

On top of that, none of the good blends are even available locally. So even if I wanted to front the cash for something good I'd be out of luck. The choice is to smoke swag or snus general.

So the price is an insult but the real outrage is the lack of any variety or quality in the local stores. I sense a market opportunity but I imagine most dedicated tobacco users will order via relatives out of state or setup a P.O. Box in Idaho or Oregon to ship to.

Before too long there will only be "pipe tobacco" in a white generic tin and "snus" packaged the same, much like the generic "beer" in the past. Everyone will get to enjoy the same crap that everyone else does in the socialist republic.

I will work around it by any legal means necessary as I already am. The state won't see a dime of tobacco taxes from me.

I feel sorry for anyone who can't afford a stash and is living hand to mouth, because they end up being punished with the local prices which consume a larger percentage of income relative to those who can afford to hoard tobacco at the relatively cheap online prices. Once again the poor suffer the most from this type of legislation and no one in the government gives a rats ass.

**justintempler** · 30-06-09, 09:24 AM

I know it ****ing sucks.

I'm not waiting for a ban I'm going through the motions to grow my own tobacco next year, getting educated, and getting the needed supplies.

In Florida, planting starts in February, harvest begins June 1st and is over by July 15th, so it's way too late to start this year.

**Roo** · 30-06-09, 09:31 AM

I feel sorry for anyone who can't afford a stash and is living hand to mouth, because they end up being punished with the local prices which consume a larger percentage of income relative to those who can afford to hoard tobacco at the relatively cheap online prices. Once again the poor suffer the most from this type of legislation and no one in the government gives a rats ass.

Hi, I'm Roo. I work a block away from a General vendor in Seattle that sells it for 8 bucks... thank you for bringing this to my attention. You're right it has received zero coverage.... Hand to mouth, foot to ass over here. Keep me posted on your experience ordering snus, if/when you do again, and I'll do the same. This is f*% $ed.... I'll look into some more and post again. [/i]

**Roo** · 30-06-09, 09:39 AM

Wow.... I'll have a lot more to say later. Thanks again. I haven't heard a damn thing about this in the news. I always get my snus delivered to my work, and I'm well acquainted with the girl who gets the mail. If I use a different name for the shipping address, I wonder how effective that would be and to what degree this law will be enforced.

**justintempler** · 30-06-09, 09:50 AM

Originally posted by Roo

.....I wonder how effective that would be and to what degree this law will be enforced.

The penalties, (the way I read it) are for the seller. It doesn't spell out the buyers penalties. So while no one in the states would sell you. There's a possibility you can still import?

Here's an idea, a postal drop at an Indian reservation, they have exclusions from many state and federal laws.

**zmanzero** · 30-06-09, 10:25 AM

jesus christ. do any of those clodhoppers who write this crap even know what snus IS!!???

just great. man 'o man, nevermind. JFC. god almighty, i can't even go there.

**Lucky Striker** · 30-06-09, 10:48 AM

First Vermont, now Washington. Only 48 more to go...

**kevin32** · 30-06-09, 02:32 PM

You can open a post office box in a neighbouring state and get it sent there. This should be legal unless they also ban bringing tobacco across state borders. Or just find a general vendor, though this will probably be more expensive depending on your usage.

It does indeed suck. It seems almost like the governments wants to force us to switch to smoking. It just feels like they have some hidden agenda. Maybe they want to keep tobacco sales locally or something, I don't know.

Btw, what if somebody orders tobacco in your name? How will they prove that you actually ordered it?

And this also affects me kinda. Moving to Vancouver in 6 days, I thought about setting up a Post Office box at point roberts for quicker delivery.

**sundog** · 30-06-09, 04:47 PM

Originally posted by zmanzero

jesus christ. do any of those clodhoppers who write this crap even know what snus IS!!???

just great. man 'o man, nevermind. JFC. god almighty, i can't even go there.

Nope. They have no idea. Most legislators (state and Federal) don't even read the stuff they're voting on nowadays. We're headed for disaster if we don't put these morons out of office, and I'm talking about BOTH Democrats and Republicans. Screw them all!

**SnusHound** · 30-06-09, 05:12 PM

Originally posted by justintempler

Originally posted by Roo

.....I wonder how effective that would be and to what degree this law will be enforced.

The penalties, (the way I read it) are for the seller. It doesn't spell out the buyers penalties. So while no one in the states would sell you. There's a possibility you can still import?

I read it again and can see how it may just be penalties for the seller. I would hope they wouldn't actually do that to people ordering, but I'm not certain (need a lawyer to comment). There could be other penalties somewhere such as having to pay taxes on the order.

If it only applies to the seller then things are much better off. International orders from certain suppliers will most certainly continue.

FWIW, my order went through and will arrive in 2 days if UPS is correct! I noticed that when ordering a huge volume the cost to ship via UPS was almost the same as by registered swedish post (10$ more for UPS) which is a nice side effect at least.

I'll be sitting on over 52 lbs of tobacco. The pipe tobacco will age gracefully due to the blends ordered and should actually only get better and the snus should keep in the freezer imho for a long while. I'm going to try to keep the stash updated and rotate it so I'll always have a good buffer if things get worse.

**heppycat** · 30-06-09, 05:29 PM

Originally posted by kevin32

You can open a post office box in a neighbouring state and get it sent there.

You can't get a PO Box in a different city than you live.

**BuLLitz** · 30-06-09, 05:46 PM

In addition, many people will not ship to PO Boxes.

WA resident? Class C felony to order snus after July 26th.

WA resident? Class C felony to order snus after July 26th.

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