Seneca cigarette retailer granted restraining order

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  • snusgetter
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    • May 2010
    • 10903

    Seneca cigarette retailer granted restraining order

    Will be interesting to see how this eventually plays out...
    Why isn't BIG BUFFALO in on this? Or for that matter, maybe
    a snus outfit could ride the coattails!!


    "Seneca cigarette retailer granted restraining order
    By Patrick Lakamp and Dan Herbeck
    News Staff Reporters
    Updated: June 28, 2010, 6:50 pm /
    Published: June 28, 2010, 12:45 pm

    A federal judge this afternoon granted a temporary restraining order allowing a Seneca Nation mail-order cigarette retailer to deliver tobacco products across the country without having to meet all of the requirements of a new federal law set to take effect at midnight.

    District Judge Richard J. Arcara granted the motion as part of the retailer's lawsuit against the U.S. government. The retailer, Red Earth, which does business as Seneca Smokeshop, has asked the court to declare the Prevent All Cigarette Trafficking Act unconstitutional.

    Seneca Smokeshop, a 10-year business, employs 17 people and sells cigarettes in 46 states. The business is owned by Aaron J. Pierce of Irving, a member of the Seneca Nation of Indians.

    Without the restraining order, the business would have been crippled as soon as the law took effect, said Lisa A. Coppola, the retailer's lawyer.

    "It's no small thing for him to lose his business entirely," Coppola told Arcara during a hearing this afternoon in federal court.

    The legislation signed into law in March bans the U.S. Postal Service from shipping cigarettes. But the PACT Act impacts the Senecas' cigarette business in other ways, as well.

    The law requires those selling cigarettes on the Internet to pay all federal, state, local or tribal tobacco taxes and affix tax stamps before delivering any tobacco products to any customer.


    Retailers also have to register with the state where they are based and make periodic reports to state tax collection officials. And retailers must check the age and ID of customers both when they purchase tobacco and when the tobacco products are delivered.


    Lawyers for Seneca Smokeshop did not address the Postal Service ban as they sought the retraining order, but focused on how the retailer would have to contend with thousands of state and local taxing jurisdictions while selling cigarettes across the country.


    "We're not talking about only 46 states or a couple of taxing jurisdictions," Coppola told Arcara.

    Arcara found the smokeshop demonstrated it would have suffered irreparable injury without the restraining order. The judge also found the retailer demonstrated a likelihood of success on the merits of its claim that the PACT Act violates various provisions of the Constitution, including the commerce clause, the Tenth Amendment, the due process clause and the equal protection clause.

    In his written order, Arcara said he issued the retraining order "in the public interest because the public favors restraining enforcement of statutes that appear to violate provisions of the Constitution."

    Arcara also said the Office of U.S. Attorney failed to file a timely response to the retailer's motion for a restraining order.

    Arcara's order said the federal government is retrained from enforcing the federal law against Seneca Smokeshop and Pierce.


    Both sides were ordered to return to court July 7.

    Coppola said Seneca Smokeshop has been working to arrange delivery of the cigarettes by a private carrier, at least to customers in New York, Pennsylvania and New Jersey, where most of the retailer's customers live.

    President Obama angered business people from the Senecas and other tribes that sell tobacco products when he signed the law.

    But other organizations, including the Campaign For Tobacco-Free Kids, rejoiced over the law, calling it a landmark step in the effort to prevent youngsters from obtaining cigarettes, and to prevent billions of dollars in tax evasion.

    Pierce's lawyers alleged that the law violates the commerce clause, the due process clause, the equal protection clause, the import-export clause and the Tenth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.

    The retailer also claimed that the new law violates four different treaties, all signed between 1784 and 1842, granting sovereignity to the Senecas and other tribes.


    "The act is overbroad, unduly burdonsome and impermissibly vague," Coppola said in court papers. "Among other things, it requires out-of-state retailers (even those without a physical presence in the state) to collect the sales and use taxes of states and localities in which they have no presence."
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  • Bigblue1
    Banned Users
    • Dec 2008
    • 3923

    #2
    I hope to God that this goes somewhere,,,, but I have no faith anymore......

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    • bakerbarber
      Member
      • Jun 2008
      • 1947

      #3
      YAY.

      Normally I'm opposed to judges who legislate from the bench, but maybe this Judge Arcara is a logical and reasonable kind of judge that is impartial and has common sense.

      Let's set a precedent. Even if the jackasses take it to appeal's courts for 20 years at least someone isn't taking the bone laying down.


      WOOT!!

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      • bakerbarber
        Member
        • Jun 2008
        • 1947

        #4
        A cannibal was walking through the jungle and came upon a restaurant operated by a fellow cannibal.
        Feeling somewhat hungry, he sat down and looked over the menu....

        + Tourist: $5.00
        + Broiled Missionary: $10.00
        + Fried Explorer: $15.00
        + Baked Democrat or Grilled Republican: $100.00

        The cannibal called the waiter over and asked,
        "Why such a high price for the Politicians?"
        The cook replied, "Have you ever tried to clean one?
        They're so full of shit, it takes all morning."

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        • Darwin
          Member
          • Mar 2010
          • 1372

          #5
          Imagine, a judge applying a constitutional test to a statute. Well I never! The Constitution? Yeah you know that dusty sheet of parchment that Progressives think of as some quaint irrelevant relic of a time when people wore powdered wigs and knee britches and is a perpetual thorn in the side of side of those who desperately yearn for government control of every aspect of our lives? Uh-huh that Constitution. Antiquarian nonsense, refuge of the Tea Party boobs, impediment to the "right-thinking" left-leaning legislative steam roller of the current admin. Yeah that Constitution. It may be nearly dead but not quite yet most sincerely dead.

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          • LaZeR
            Member
            • Oct 2009
            • 3994

            #6
            Originally posted by bakerbarber View Post
            A cannibal was walking through the jungle and came upon a restaurant operated by a fellow cannibal.
            Feeling somewhat hungry, he sat down and looked over the menu....

            + Tourist: $5.00
            + Broiled Missionary: $10.00
            + Fried Explorer: $15.00
            + Baked Democrat or Grilled Republican: $100.00

            The cannibal called the waiter over and asked,
            "Why such a high price for the Politicians?"
            The cook replied, "Have you ever tried to clean one?
            They're so full of shit, it takes all morning."

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            • danielan
              Member
              • Apr 2010
              • 1514

              #7
              Originally posted by bakerbarber View Post
              maybe this Judge Arcara is a logical and reasonable kind of judge that is impartial and has common sense.
              Or at least let's hope he is biased in our favor!

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              • snusgetter
                Member
                • May 2010
                • 10903

                #8
                Originally posted by danielan
                Or at least let's hope he is biased in our favor!
                Maybe he's a closet snusser -- on the bench and totally nicked-up/nicotined-up!!
                niced-up??

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                • Bigblue1
                  Banned Users
                  • Dec 2008
                  • 3923

                  #9
                  Originally posted by snusgetter View Post
                  Maybe he's a closet snusser -- on the bench and totally nicked-up/nicotined-up!!
                  niced-up??
                  Or he likes his cheap Native American smokes,,,, too funny

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                  • snusgetter
                    Member
                    • May 2010
                    • 10903

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Bigblue1 View Post
                    Or he likes his cheap Native American smokes,,,, too funny
                    I hadn't thought of that 'cause of the snus binge I'm on.

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                    • bipolarbear1968
                      Member
                      • Mar 2010
                      • 1074

                      #11
                      The retailer also claimed that the new law violates four different treaties, all signed between 1784 and 1842, granting sovereignity to the Senecas and other tribes.
                      Might be the saving grace.

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                      • lxskllr
                        Member
                        • Sep 2007
                        • 13435

                        #12
                        I fully expect this to go in Red Earth's favor due to the long running precedent of the USA fully supporting Indian's rights, and upholding the treaties between our nations....

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                        • Darwin
                          Member
                          • Mar 2010
                          • 1372

                          #13
                          If only the Seneca would discover snus.

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                          • snusgetter
                            Member
                            • May 2010
                            • 10903

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Darwin
                            If only the Seneca would discover snus.
                            Some of them were recently selling Dissolvables (Ariva/Stonewall) along
                            with Discreet, Nordic Ice, Klondike, & Camel, but had not yet expanded
                            to Swedish snus. Maybe once this lawsuit is favorably adjudicated they
                            might branch out??

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                            • Darwin
                              Member
                              • Mar 2010
                              • 1372

                              #15
                              Let's hope because the tribes sell state tax free tobacco in virtually every state so it might prove a fruitful avenue for them. Anti-tobacco zealots, being in the main political Progressives might well be hoist with their own grubby petards on this one since they have tended to fawningly defer to "minority rights" when it suits their purposes which is most of the time. The tribes are not only an aggrieved minority but in addition they are one with long standing contracts with the federal government giving them certain commercial rights by both treaty and legislation. Go for it boys. Tobacco has always been a supremely ironic component of the red man's revenge. Let's hope it continues.

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