Question regarding Northerner and back taxes

[sgreger1]

I live in CA.

Since now states will be forcing us to pay tax, will they be requesting all previous order history from places like northerner? In otherwords, is my state going to request my order history and charge me back taxes on all of my previouse pre-pact orders?

I know the order history was wiped, but it sounds like somewhere northerner is still keeping track of the orders. If a state requests it, will you be surrendering my order history to them so that they can charge me for back taxes i may or may not have paid?

[GoVegan]

I live in CA.

Since now states will be forcing us to pay tax, will they be requesting all previous order history from places like northerner? In otherwords, is my state going to request my order history and charge me back taxes on all of my previouse pre-pact orders?

I know the order history was wiped, but it sounds like somewhere northerner is still keeping track of the orders. If a state requests it, will you be surrendering my order history to them so that they can charge me for back taxes i may or may not have paid?

Feeling a bit negative this morning? Let sleeping dogs lie!

[sgreger1]

Feeling a bit negative this morning? Let sleeping dogs lie!

Not feeling negative at all, it was just brought to my attention by another member that this may be an issue, and i was wondering if thats true.


Think about it, any snus you ever bought may end up on a list that your state requests from the snus companies, and the state may request you pay back those taxes with intirest. It's a legitimate concern and has nothing to do with anything thats northerners fault, it just sounds like the states may force them to do this now because of pact, and my state is looking under every rock to find revenue.

[tom502]

You'll be getting a bill from the IRS for a few thousand dollars.

[chadizzy1]

You'll be getting a bill from the IRS for a few thousand dollars.

No, that's retarded. haha. I hope there's no truth to whatever was heard about back taxes.

To be honest, I don't think that's fair or would make sense. Because you couldn't "anticipate" the coming law or anything, so that wouldn't be fair.

But then again, when is our government fair?

[myuserid]

But then again, when is our government fair?

^This.

[snusgetter]

Gee, wouldn't it be something if Northerner etc did actually lose the pre-PACT orders files while transitioning to the newly-required system??

(Shades of the missing Watergate Tapes!!)

[GoVegan]

Its OK - I will just tell them that I was placing orders for sgreger. Then I will make something up like sgreger has a huge warehouse full of illegal tobacco and I am just a mule. In exchange for immunity, I will lead them to the source!

[Mr. Snuffleupagus]

No, that's retarded. haha. I hope there's no truth to whatever was heard about back taxes.

To be honest, I don't think that's fair or would make sense. Because you couldn't "anticipate" the coming law or anything, so that wouldn't be fair.

But then again, when is our government fair?

It has always been the law that we pay the taxes even before PACT. So technically it is "fair". I hope nobody get a bill and fines, but it could happen...

[GoVegan]

It has always been the law that we pay the taxes even before PACT. So technically it is "fair". I hope nobody get a bill and fines, but it could happen...

Fair? Fair is a small percentage of the sales price like 5 to 10%. Fair would be allowing the USPS to deliver tobacco while charging a small fee to verify ID. Forget fairness. Extortion is what most government tax rates and the PACT Act are aiming for!

[Mr. Snuffleupagus]

You know what I mean. Rules is rules

[GoVegan]

You know what I mean. Rules is rules

F*ck em! For years, I paid their stupid sin tax on every pack of smokes I bought. The rationale behind this was that cigarette smoking is harming non smokers byo 2nd hand smoke and that smoking is driving up the overall cost to the government to pay for health care. The taxes and rules that followed started quite simply. Everybody paid a few cents on their smokes and you could not smoke in enclosed public areas like stores and restaurants. This is fair. Next thing you know, your an a**hole for even smoking in a parking lot outside and those taxes went from cents to dollars. I started to use snus to get away from all of that crap! They are bringing their little tobacco war to me with this stupid PACT Act! Am I supposed to switch to cigars now?

Unfair rules helped start this country. Just think Boston Tea Party! I am all for paying my fair share and trying to make sure my tobacco habit doesn't impose on others. In turn, I expect not to be imposed on myself.

[texastorm]

As for any state or federal entity collecting back tobacco taxes on you.... I highly doubt they are going to chase anyone down of what might amount to a few hundred dollars. The way our government is running now, it would cost more to collect your money than the amount of the tax.

[snusgetter]

It has always been the law that we pay the taxes even before PACT. So technically it is "fair". I hope nobody get a bill and fines, but it could happen...

One of the early concerns the Indians had about UPS was that UPS maintains a database of all transactions; USPS does not.

The states are empowered by law to request shipping info specific to certain shippers and those requests (by some states) have been honored by UPS; since USPS maintains no such database, any requests would be moot. The Indians, believing in customer privacy, used USPS exclusively (again to the tune of $30-40 million a year).

Taxachusetts, among others, has been reported to have made such requests to UPS and then sent notices to the addressees that sales tax must be reported. Don't know how far that might have gone to collecting appropriate taxes since the Indians, as sovereign nations, are not beholden to any state to report their sales so no actual amount could be deduced.

The collection of sales tax is still of concern since it looks like Northerner and others are not, for the most part, collecting those taxes (just the Tobacco Tax). And these companies are now required to maintain the required databases.

Remember: Big Sister Is Watching!!

[sgreger1]

No, that's retarded. haha. I hope there's no truth to whatever was heard about back taxes.

To be honest, I don't think that's fair or would make sense. Because you couldn't "anticipate" the coming law or anything, so that wouldn't be fair.

But then again, when is our government fair?

Chad you are incorrect. You were supposed to pay taxes on it all along, pact just implements an enforcement component where now tobacco retailers have to give records of their transactions over to each state they do business in.


So if ca got ahold of my records, they may say i didnt pay back taxes. So i feel this is a legitimate concern as the rules didnt change because of pact, the rules were already there, its just that now they have a method of enforcing it. And knowing my state, they will enforce it to the fullest.