Long cut snus in Sweden?

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  • Gameness
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    • Dec 2011
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    Long cut snus in Sweden?

    Any plans to produce a long cut traditionally flavored snus in Sweden?
  • justintempler
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    • Nov 2008
    • 3090

    #2
    Producing anything more than a limited run specialty long cut would require a major purchases of new equipment and a commitment to setting up new production lines. Swedish snus and long cut are not compatible from a manufacturing standpoint. Swedish snus is ground and sifted, where as long cut snus is cut so producing a long cut snus in large quantities would require investing a lot of money and setting up a separate production line just to handle long cut. We're also seeing a move away from lössnus and more people using portions so if anything Sweden seems to be moving in the wrong direction to produce a long cut.

    Here's an idea though, how about a long cut snus produced on the production lines in America where they are already set up to produce long cut tobacco using the Swedish recipe and then export it to Sweden.

    Red Man Swedish Recipe long cut snus?

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    • Gameness
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      • Dec 2011
      • 72

      #3
      Originally posted by justintempler
      Producing anything more than a limited run specialty long cut would require a major purchases of new equipment and a commitment to setting up new production lines. Swedish snus and long cut are not compatible from a manufacturing standpoint. Swedish snus is ground and sifted, where as long cut snus is cut so producing a long cut snus in large quantities would require investing a lot of money and setting up a separate production line just to handle long cut. We're also seeing a move away from lössnus and more people using portions so if anything Sweden seems to be moving in the wrong direction to produce a long cut.

      Here's an idea though, how about a long cut snus produced on the production lines in America where they are already set up to produce long cut tobacco using the Swedish recipe and then export it to Sweden.

      Red Man Swedish Recipe long cut snus?

      I actually didn't think about the manufacturing process, that's a very valid point.

      A Red Man (or Copenhagen/Skoal) long cut snus product with fermented tobacco and a low TSNA level would sell very well in Sweden. A lot of us swedes would love something different, especially something similar to American dip.

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      • BlueSaint
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        • May 2011
        • 195

        #4
        Originally posted by Gameness
        I actually didn't think about the manufacturing process, that's a very valid point.

        A Red Man (or Copenhagen/Skoal) long cut snus product with fermented tobacco and a low TSNA level would sell very well in Sweden. A lot of us swedes would love something different, especially something similar to American dip.
        Hmm, I've only heard bad experiences about the taste from american dip among the swedes I know. Like "I didn't find snus when I was in USA so I bought a copenhagen dip to try it out, tasted like shit". lol

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        • snusjus
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          • Jun 2008
          • 2674

          #5
          There are actually two long cut snus products available:

          1. Kardus (limited edition and expensive, obviously)
          2. Thunder Original Long Cut

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          • Gameness
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            • Dec 2011
            • 72

            #6
            Originally posted by BlueSaint
            Hmm, I've only heard bad experiences about the taste from american dip among the swedes I know. Like "I didn't find snus when I was in USA so I bought a copenhagen dip to try it out, tasted like shit". lol

            lol it's probably because they don't know how to use it correctly. In the beginning I would try to bake a prilla for a solid 10 minutes before putting it my mouth, getting it all over the place and going back to the bathroom.

            Then I learned that you just pinch it and put it in your mouth and all has been great since then. I think snus should also have that burning feeling and the enhanced taste like cope does, feels so good.

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            • Gameness
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              • Dec 2011
              • 72

              #7
              Originally posted by snusjus
              There are actually two long cut snus products available:

              1. Kardus (limited edition and expensive, obviously)
              2. Thunder Original Long Cut

              I actually bought a roll of Thunder Long Cut the other day, it should be here by Tuesday. I also got a big shipment of various Cope/Skoal coming in on Wednesday.

              Have you tried the Thunder Long Cut? Any good? I heard a lot of mixed reviews about it.

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              • precious007
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                • Sep 2010
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                #8
                Originally posted by Gameness
                I actually bought a roll of Thunder Long Cut the other day, it should be here by Tuesday. I also got a big shipment of various Cope/Skoal coming in on Wednesday.

                Have you tried the Thunder Long Cut? Any good? I heard a lot of mixed reviews about it.
                never did

                I've tried various kinds of Offroad longcut and it's different from american dip tobacco

                there's something that makes it different, not sure what

                I've had problems keeping it packed in my lip, but got used to it in time

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                • Gameness
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                  • Dec 2011
                  • 72

                  #9
                  Originally posted by precious007
                  never did

                  I've tried various kinds of Offroad longcut and it's different from american dip tobacco

                  there's something that makes it different, not sure what

                  I've had problems keeping it packed in my lip, but got used to it in time

                  It's probably because of the difference in the manufacturing process (firecured american vs fermented swedish).

                  I would really enjoy a snus made with the same semi-sweet natural taste.

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                  • snusjus
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                    • Jun 2008
                    • 2674

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Gameness
                    It's probably because of the difference in the manufacturing process (firecured american vs fermented swedish).

                    I would really enjoy a snus made with the same semi-sweet natural taste.
                    The only brand of dip I use is Copenhagen or Grizzly Natural. Even then, it's a once a year occurrence. I'm under the assumption you've tried Grov Los; it's somewhat similar to Copenhagen, sans the hickory sweetness.

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                    • Gameness
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                      • Dec 2011
                      • 72

                      #11
                      Originally posted by snusjus
                      The only brand of dip I use is Copenhagen or Grizzly Natural. Even then, it's a once a year occurrence. I'm under the assumption you've tried Grov Los; it's somewhat similar to Copenhagen, sans the hickory sweetness.
                      Yeah i've tried every brand there is (apart from a few new brands). I only snus loose Ettan, Grov and occasionally, General.

                      I've heard about it being similar to Copenhagen because it's a bit more coarse, but frankly I wouldn't even compare them. The cut is completely different as well as the taste. I love me some hickory sweetness!

                      Isn't it ironic how we in Sweden want American brands and you guys want more snus?

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                      • justintempler
                        Member
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 3090

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Gameness
                        I actually didn't think about the manufacturing process, that's a very valid point.

                        A Red Man (or Copenhagen/Skoal) long cut snus product with fermented tobacco and a low TSNA level would sell very well in Sweden. A lot of us swedes would love something different, especially something similar to American dip.
                        I don't think most modern day dip is fermented anymore, I think most of it uses the same forced heat pasteurization process as is used for snus. The biggest difference is the use of fire cured tobacco (more TNSAs) and a lot more ingredients being used in the sauce during the cooking process.

                        I don't see any reason they couldn't make a RedMan long cut using snus air cured tobacco and adding the flavoring as a top dressing to make authentic Swedish Style snus.

                        (I picked RedMan as an example because they are owned by Swedish Match)

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                        • Gameness
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                          • Dec 2011
                          • 72

                          #13
                          Originally posted by justintempler
                          I don't think most modern day dip is fermented anymore, I think most of it uses the same forced heat pasteurization process as is used for snus. The biggest difference is the use of fire cured tobacco (more TNSAs) and a lot more ingredients being used in the sauce during the cooking process.

                          I don't see any reason they couldn't make a RedMan long cut using snus air cured tobacco and adding the flavoring as a top dressing to make authentic Swedish Style snus.

                          (I picked RedMan as an example because they are owned by Swedish Match)

                          I would permanently snus a Redman long cut snus as long as it had that seasoning flavor i've grown to love.

                          Petition anyone?

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                          • snusjus
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                            • Jun 2008
                            • 2674

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Gameness
                            Isn't it ironic how we in Sweden want American brands and you guys want more snus?
                            It's human nature: we always want what we can't have.

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